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Tuesday, December 10th, 2002
5:06 pm
[walk_free]
This forum is redundant, (and so is your job!)
Hello Folks,
I've been meaning to post for quite a while, but have got caught up in the intricacies of life. There are currently 2 gaychristian channels on livejournal.. this one, and LGBTX.
Because they pretty much serve the same purpose, and LGBTX is a more inclusive name, I've decided to fold this channel into that one. We really are better together, and I think LGBTX is a great forum, with a more inclusive name.
Ken
Thursday, November 28th, 2002
9:30 am
[padlockbx]
Hmm
Hmm .
Is this community still open ... ? havent seen any posts in a long time ... hmmm .
Nicole

Current Mood: curious
Monday, July 22nd, 2002
5:26 pm
[maltesephallcon]
I just finished this article as a sidebar for "Response" magazine, the national publication of the Women's Division of the United Methodist Church. My assignment was to address the difficulties of "living simply" as a young person in today's corporate media-dominated world. Feedback appreciated.


I am standing on a street in New York City’s Soho, a now trendy neighborhood that once provided a safe haven for struggling artists. Its lofts and cobblestone streets, once home to creative self expression and social commentary, are now crammed with designer labels, franchise coffee shops and mass-manufactured “unique” merchandise. I am going through a painful time, one that may necessitate much soul searching and significant life changes. Entering a popular chain clothing store, I am greeted by temptation. Spread out before me is an entire fall line-up of pants, shirts and accessories. I am struck by how easy it would be to buy a whole new wardrobe, and thus create a whole new me. Forget looking to myself and God for the answers to life’s difficult question. In corporate America, consumption provides the one and only answer to every possible question.
As a young adult in our current culture, “living simply” is no simple task. The road to communion with God and one another is clouded with a barrage of mixed messages. Friends, family and Church advise, “Be yourself,” yet comprehension of oneself and one’s spiritual worth seems a fruitless task in a world where selves are bought and sold as commodities. The proliferation of marketing aimed at youth and young adults provides instant consolation for a generation searching for social and spiritual stability. In the capitalist marketplace, false Gods are abundant. Wondering what might be missing from your life? The Gap has the answer – “You Need Jeans and Khakis.” Or perhaps you’re searching for the key to forming lasting attachments with fellow human beings? Then Seventeen Magazine has the solution for you, in the form of their beauty slogan, “When Skin Deep is Deep Enough.”
“I believe we’re all living in Pottersville,” a young mother recently told me, referencing the final scenes of the Jimmy Stewart classic, It’s a Wonderful Life. I couldn’t help but agree. Just like the residents of Pottersville, we live in a world where wealth and power are controlled by a select few. As citizens of Pottersville, we live under a shroud of misinformation, unable to correctly identify or address the unjust power structures at work around us. To live as a socially conscious Christian seems next to impossible in an age where the simple act of purchasing clothing means reinforcing global structures of economic disparity, racism, sexism and exploitation of workers. How can we possibly remove ourselves from a system in which we are both pawns and participants?
Desperate times call for proactive measures. “Living simply” must not mean living easily. In a world controlled by evil, God-requires young Christians to organize for justice. It is our responsibility to become educated consumers. It is our duty to deconstruct the myths which oppress. With vigor and vitality only youth can provide, we must bring down the powerful from their thrones and lift up the lowly. We must fill the hungry with good things, and send the rich away empty.
God has indeed called us to the place where we are for just such a time as this. Let us listen and obey.
Friday, July 12th, 2002
3:33 pm
[decussation]
Grin from ear to ear
My parents, in all their Victorian entrenched love, consulted a Priest, a doctor of ethics, about an article summarising the debate between Catholic moral theologians concerning homosexuality. Of course they wanted an answer that would justify their homophobic heteronormative belief structure...

but as God would have it; what they got was something adequately enlightening.

excerpts

"Yet despite [the struggles in gay relationships], God can bring redemptive love out of gay friendships (subjective good) even though there may be elements of sexual relationship which out Catholic belief would see as objectively wrong. This is my personal belief rather than official Catholic teaching but I am sure that the two are not in coflict deep down."

Hmm, of course it's not a huge stamp of approval, but coming from the man I'm glad and think it's an important step should my parents accept it.

Current Mood: pleased
Thursday, May 23rd, 2002
12:01 pm
[roguebear]
A few words of introduction
Hi everybody,

I just thought I should introduce myself. I am a 33 year old Swede. I prefer to think of myself as gay or queer or a bear, if you like. In religious terms I'm a member of the Swedish (Lutheran) Church and actually a minister candidate.

I've grown increasingly disillusioned with the church (not over gay issues, though - my diocese is surprisingly liberal). It's more the way the church chooses to deal with sensitive issues by ignoring them, claiming that you can't criticize anyone's belief.

Well, I for one think you can. I find a lot of things people find in the Bible offensive, and I think that people have a moral obligation to read the Bible in the light of charity. The word of God is written in the hearts of men, not on paper. A book is an idol, a carven image. The Bible reflects God but it is not God.

Sorry, I get a bit winded up at times. It's just that I get extremely upset when people
who have the nerve to call themselves liberal make hurtful and harmful claims and support it with Biblical quotations out of context.

I hope I haven't offended anyone. It's just that I didn't grow up a Christian and came to read the Bible as an adult (and a scholar at that), so I tend to take a lot of things for granted. Please feel free to put me right.
Wednesday, May 8th, 2002
5:41 pm
[garyjr]
"Men do not have the hole to put their dick in, so that right their shows that is unatural. "
oh gosh soap box time. this is a lil long but you must read it and give me your thoughts. i was talking to another live journaler about being gay; he said:

"Well I dealt with gay issues in the past, but was never really gay. If I continue in the ways then I would be gay. I know it is not for me and it against the Christian morals."

so i said;

"pretending you are not gay because you believe it is wrong isn't going to make you straight. you can't change your sexual orientation. by the by, being gay is not a sin. loving another grown man is not a sin and lastly, the bible doesn't condemn homosexuality; check out the book; "what the bible really says about homosexuality" and even if it did, i guess you think that slavery is ok? and woman are meant to serve men and should stay in the home? portions of the bible are out-of-date. discrimination is not ok in the 21 century."

well he got all riled up and really let me have it and said this:

Well, you have a lot to learn about life and need to stop talking "out of your butt." I agree with you some but on some of your points you totally lost me. I am not pretending that I am straight... I am simply saying I am going to stop doing things of that nature, knowing that it is wrong. It is not natural for a man and man to have realtionships (sexual) together. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Also I am not being discrimitory, I still love the person... just not like what they do. Also read the Bible and understand before you tried to discount it. You are trying to use the Bible for your own gain and twist the things that it says in it. The Bible clearly states in the New Testament, which is the new law for us, that homosexuality is a sin and should not be. Also I have stuggled with the idea about Christians and being gay, but I can't deny the fact of what the Bible says and what Jesus commands. I am in a relationship with God and there are some terms I have to follow when in it. Who am I too question Him, He is the one who created you and I.

Also I have plenty of friends and they are helping me with this whole issues, so the comment about the friends was wrong. If being gay was so right then why can you get AIDS and a numerous of other dieases from it. It will be a matter of time before you might even contract some diseases. It is not natural for men to do that, they were not made like that. We have different private parts then women and they hook up to each other in the way they were meant to be. Men do not have the hole to put their dick in, so that right their shows that is unatural. Also in the gay community it so sexual and that is what 95% of the realtionhsip is made up of. All they want is to get their sexual desired filled, for you have to have balance their to have a truly made realtionship. That is why it is meant to be a man and a woman, for they balance each other out in the area of emotions and feelings.

Please don't think that I am mad, for I am not at all. I just been doing a lot of thinking and I hate when people tend to talk out of something they really do not know. It was my fault that I got involved in what I did. I wanted to "get off" and that is really all I got... in the end I was just hurt and that is a big reason why the gay community is so messed up and not morally right.

ok i think that is the most closed minded turn-of-the century bull shit i have heard in a long time. i'm sorry i am stunned. i thought about it the whole bike ride home. how dare you accuse me and 95% of the gay population of being in gay relationships for sex. i'm sorry but the sex is the last thing on the list for me when i'm dating or in a relationship with someone. don't even get me started with that whole "adam & steve" crap or the different private parts, that is so dam laughable i won't even address it. and i think it is absolutely reprehensible of you to say i'm going to get AIDS because i am gay. that is just sickening. all i can say at this point is this kid is gonna be one miserable person if he thinks he can "not act on his gay instincts"; it's internal! it's hormonal! you can not change it. good luck in life kid, your gonna need it.
Friday, May 3rd, 2002
11:32 pm
[legolastn]
Help Support Religious Tolerance
*sorry for the cross-posting but I feel this is important enough to warrant it*

The Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance website is perhaps the best Internet resource on religion and related topics out there. It certainly ranks high on the list. And it is in a bit of financial trouble and could really use a cash infusion. Click here to find out how you can help. Even if you don't have money specifically set aside to give to random groups or charities, they can get part of the proceeds from your regular purchases like books, CDs, clothes, etc. from other websites. And if you sign up for PayPal (if you haven't yet, you most certainly should!) through their link, they get a $5 credit and so do you!

Current Mood: worried
Wednesday, April 17th, 2002
2:53 pm
[senorbrightside]
introduction
Hey everyone, thought I'd drop a line and introduce myself...just joined the community today.

My name is Paul, I'm 20, and a sophomore at Uni of Kentucky studying journalism and Spanish. I became a Christian when I was 17 but didn't really get involved with a church or anything til I started college a year later at 18. Then I got plugged into Campus Crusade for Christ and was happy growing in my faith and making friends and stuff...til last October until I admitted that I was gay...I'd always to deny that I had these feelings towards guys but it got to the point where I had to be honest with myself about what I was...

Fast forward six months. I'm torn between my faith and how I feel and trying to figure out if it's ok to be gay or not. I had stopped going to Crusade for a while but recently started going again...cause my faith is important to me...and I guess I'm just trying to reconcile being gay and being Christian and whether it's really a sin or not...I'm not out to anyone but two friends from high school back in Ohio where I grew up...who have been both real accepting. I'm scared to death what will happen if I come out but I know what I am...I just....am really confused about life and stuff...I'm glad to see that there are other gay Christians out there, and I'm glad there is a community like this on LJ.

Adios.

Current Mood: good
9:46 am
[sermoa]
Wanna help me out?!
Some kid is giving me hassle cos I'm gay.

Go here and read the comments. If you feel like giving me some support, you could maybe write something in response to him? He keeps coming back to see if I've replied!

Only you might want to post annonymous otherwise he'll most likely annoy you too!!

Current Mood: calm
Wednesday, April 3rd, 2002
4:58 pm
[sermoa]
A question ... (sorry I have many!)
I'm assuming most people here are like me ... brought up christian and then saw no reason to ditch their faith just because of their sexuality.

Am I right?

Or is there anyone who has known they are gay and subsequently become a christian?

Does anyone know any gay people who have become christians?

Because to me it seems the church in general does not do a particularly splendid job of letting LGBT people know that God loves and accepts them ...

Surely that would be a good idea?

Current Mood: interested
Tuesday, April 2nd, 2002
10:25 am
[sermoa]
What can I do??
I've just had an email from someone; I find the email quite upsetting but don't know what to do about it.

It's about National Marriage Week, which aims to promote christian marriage values. Apparently it is receiving less financial support this year, and a lot more money is being donated to two organisations that promote lesbian and gay health and well-being.

The writer of the email is asking us to do several things. I quote ...

  • pray for those who seek to uphold godliness


  • support the National Marriage Week either personally or through your churches


  • write to the Lord Chancellor requesting that funding for National Marriage Week be reinstated and that the support for the promotion of gay and lesbian relationships be withdrawn


  • write to the Prime Minister expressing your concerns at the open promotion of gay and lesbian rights and practices

Now of course I believe that all LGBT people need as much support as they can get. I almost danced for joy when I saw the words "promote lesbian and gay health and well-being" ... but how can I explain to the traditional christians at IBM (where I work) that this is a good idea?

I don't try to hide my sexuality and I'm sure some of them have guessed ... but to stand up for a cause such as this I'd have to risk offending or upsetting them ... and they'd probably want to counsell me endlessly and pray for me to change my ways ...

I know they're only doing what they think is right, but how can I help them to see they're wrong?

Current Mood: distressed
Sunday, March 31st, 2002
2:46 pm
[rickolis]
Happy Resurrection Sunday everyone (=

At the wonderful, tragic, mysterious tree

On that beautiful, scandalous night you and me

Were atoned by His blood and forever washed white

On that beautiful, scandalous night
8:59 pm
[sermoa]
Coming Out Party
If anyone's in England, or listens to Radio 1 online, the Sunday Surgery has a coming out party tonight, starting right ... NOW!!!

Could be interesting!!

Luvs ya, andi x x x
Wednesday, March 27th, 2002
12:56 pm
[legolastn]
Greetings and Salutations...
I just started here on LJ a few days ago, and so joined this group even more recently. My name is Jason aka Legolas aka Lego, and I just thought I would say hi. "Hi!"

Heh. Anyways, one of my entries contains some of my current views and struggles concerning Christianity over on my journal page so I won't get into that too much here for now.

I did see in some entries below some recommendations for books. A few books I think are great and have really helped me are:
On GLBTs and Christianity, Our Tribe: Queer Folks, God, Jesus, and the Bible by Nancy Wilson (can be hard to find, especially the original edition)
On Fundamentalism and Christianity, Stealing Jesus by Bruce Bawer (who has written several other books on gay topics)
On Liberation Theology and GLBTS, Know My Name: A Gay Liberation Theology by Richard Cleaver
Amazon.com has all these titles, though some are in limited quantities. Or if you would rather support a GLBT business, I know Giovanni's Room has all three titles in their database, though I think Our Tribe is Special Order.

I also really like the website Whosoever.

TTFN

Current Mood: happy
Saturday, March 16th, 2002
11:20 pm
[carniebrat]
The Laramie Project - and new realizations (about myself?)
tonight i went to see the laramie project. it is a play that is being done by the Nevada Repertory Company this semester. to recap, this was a play that i auditioned for this semester, got called back for, and did not get cast in. so, anyway, i went to see it tonight with my roomie, and a couple of my friends from various theatre classes that i have taken here.

the laramie project is a play about laramie, wyoming coming to terms with the tragic death of Matthew Sheppard. the cast did a really, really good job, and i think that this is a play that needs to be done more - and in more places. it raises issues that need to be seen - and in a clear light. i like the fact that it does not tell the story from one point of view, but rather, from many points of view. i think that it was a really good thing - because it let the audience see that the city had both homophobic people, and those who weren't.

after tonights performance there was, what was called, a "rep-rap." basically, it was a moderated discussion between a moderator (duh), the cast, and any members of the audience who cared to stay for it. it was really interesting, but i really felt like i should speak up in a couple of places, but being me, i kept my mouth shut because my roomie was there, as were several people who i have not come out to yet, so i am going to say my opinions now.

in the play, and in real life Laramie, Wyoming, there was and is a man who held the first vigil for Matt Sheppard. He happens to be a Catholic priest. And it is his opinion that hate doesn't start with the hate crime. it starts with the hate itself - and the homophobic language, and the way we are taught to perceive people who are gay - or different from us in one way or another. he says that it begins with the words "faggot" or "dyke" being acceptable labels.

well...i think that it goes much further than that. i think that it stems back to what we were taught, when we were taught it, and even more, where we taught it. i went to christian school. i was taught, for most of my life, that being different of any type is not okay. the christian school that i went to for middle school, and maybe this is all of them, had a serious chip on it's shoulder about difference. i was never told, specifically, to hate others - i was told to love everyone. but the undertext was always that being anything other than a perfect Christian was wrong. the subtext was always that it is better to hate anyone different because, underneath it all they are wrong, and bad. they need to find Christ.

that Catholic priest was right. our culture has taught us to hate. but, at the same time, so have our religions. why can't there be more people like that priest? why does it have to be such a big deal? gay/straight/bisexual - we're all just people.

anyway.....to get off my high horse....i just have to say that it's an interesting journey - to try and stop all of these prefabricated ideas about my life. i have to step down and realize that i am not perfect. i have flaws too - and one of them is being a closed-minded Christian.

and i still have a long way to go.

Current Mood: confused
2:04 am
[padlockbx]
Matthew S.
hey Every one ...

today i was watching ,please no one laugh , oprah and Matthew shepards mother was on there talking about Matthew . and it just really made me stop and think you know ? its such a tragedy .i mean , duh , i know i am not saying anything new here , but i stoped and thought , and it hit me .

That could of been me .

I could turn on the news tommorrow morning and see one of my friends there ...

That could be my g/f or my ex b/f ... omgosh ...you know ?

I guess i just dont belong in this world , i dont understand this world ,anything in it , not the people , not the lifestyles people live , not even the ones i live ! lol ... i feel lost and utterly alone in this , and i know , i am not alone , but there is just a sense of aloneness that i feel right now .

sighs *

i dont understand why people grow up to be jaded , i understand why , in a sense , but i rage against it , because its just not fair you know ? why cant children grow up never fearing the night , and not knowing what it is to hate or be hated ?

blah .

i am a mess .
born in the wroung generation , in the wroung nation .
i am off to become a hermit now .
this world bites .
okay god , anytime now ... i am sooo ready .

nicole

Current Mood: depressed
Thursday, March 14th, 2002
3:41 pm
[padlockbx]
Hi ... lol ... forgot to introduce myself ...
Hi Everyone !
My name is nicole , i am 18 years old , i just wanted to introduce myself , i poted a entry and i thought , gee , how rude , i never even said Hello ....


Hello ! :)

nicole

Current Mood: amused
3:27 pm
[padlockbx]
Dear Journal ,


Yesterday i went and got my right ear peirced ! Its so cute , just the upper cartilege , and my grandmother actually likes it for now , since its the only peircing i have ... poor grandma , she really has no clue . .

Or mabey she does and simply doesnt say anything ? sigh . i dont know .

i know that grandmothers will belive what they want to belive and the world will see what is plain before them , and i guess i am okay with that for now .

i checked out a book from the libary today on the gay pride march at the capital in 1993 , and i am just stunned . 1 million gay , bi , les , all together ... are there really that many of us ? i am in shock ...

It was kinda sad though , cause there was all these stories in there about diffrent instances of govermental discrimation ... one viatnam vetran grave stone said on it ... i was given a medal for killing two men , and kicked out for loving one ...

WOW . i mean , that just sucks , beyond words .

and i never really thought about how lesbian health care has so been ignored , and , i dont know , just makes me feel really low - i mean , i am such a animal rights activist , and i missed the whole human being deal ... geesh !

So , sighs , what to do , what to do ? i cant do anything , i cant publicly , in front of family and church and friends , say , yes , i am bi ...

i mean if they cant tell , should i bring it up ?

i would be kicked from the church , no more outreaching and carrying the gospel to the community , no more fellowship , no more roof over my head ,,, cause you dont just walk over to your family who is giving you a home after not seeing you for 8 years and say , o by the way , i know your tottally disqcusted by lesbains and stuff , but "i kiss girls" i mean , i just cant do that ... arg .


So where does one find a church that allows homosexuals ?
jeesh this is cali , there must be a few ...


nicole

Current Mood: conteplative
3:39 pm
[sermoa]
Saturday, March 9th, 2002
3:32 am
[maltesephallcon]
I thought I'd post something I find particularly inspirational as part of my introduction to the group. This was a speech given on the floor of the United Methodist General Conference by Traci West, an incredibly awesome black female ethics professor at Drew Theological Seminary. She's also a good friend.

"The Word of God says, "Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She is to keep silent."

"The Word of God says, "Slaves obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling as you obey Christ"

"The word of God repeatedly says that women must be submissive. Every woman here, EVERY WOMAN HERE if she were to obey the TRUE teachings of the word of God would be silent."

"Every Black person, every African here, if they were to obey the true teachings of God about obeying our masters, would be on our knees to to our White borthers and sisters and saying, "Massa, I obey you as I would obey Christ.""

"I say to you, Church, this is our opportunity not to use the Bible one more time as a club to beat up our brothers and sisters. Admit we are divided on this issue, seize the opportunity to step into the grace of God, and embrace the love of Jesus Christ for all of us. Is there not enough hate, enough war in your countries, is there not enough prejudice, is there not enough use of the bible to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation?"

"Let us not worry about the world and the newspapers but worry about the outcasts. Worry about the one that Jesus calls us to worry about: the oppressed. I ask you, Church, seize this moment and oppose this main motion. Vote "no."
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